Re: Are we committed to "Mtg Players Union" being the official name?

[kcolloran]

I've got it. Since unions are clearly the work of the devil and are only favored by dirty communist hippies we should go the entirely other direction and call ourselves "The MtG Players Corporation."

[Reindeercards]

I've got it. Since unions are clearly the work of the devil and are only favored by dirty communist hippies we should go the entirely other direction and call ourselves "The MtG Players Corporation."

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/CORPORATION

1 a: a group of merchants or traders united in a trade guild

I think the Magic Online Trading League already has that angle covered.

[kcolloran]

They might have the angle covered, but the name is open. And since the goal is to clearly send the message that we're a good American group that's all about money the name suits us to a tee.

[gleemax]

They might have the angle covered, but the name is open. And since the goal is to clearly send the message that we're a good American group that's all about money the name suits us to a tee.

Hmmm, we want to be a well liked American group? Lets become " The Church of MtG Players of Latter Day MaRo.

Also, since only 4 people voted for the name to stay, and we've seemed to hear from all of them? Lets hear more from the majority that wants it changed.

[mercenarybdu]

They might have the angle covered, but the name is open. And since the goal is to clearly send the message that we're a good American group that's all about money the name suits us to a tee.

Hmmm, we want to be a well liked American group? Lets become " The Church of MtG Players of Latter Day MaRo.

Also, since only 4 people voted for the name to stay, and we've seemed to hear from all of them? Lets hear more from the majority that wants it changed.

Actually this is an international group.

Although it is classified as an American idea isn't all that American as we have attributes scribbled in here and there that make it so international.

[gleemax]

They might have the angle covered, but the name is open. And since the goal is to clearly send the message that we're a good American group that's all about money the name suits us to a tee.

Hmmm, we want to be a well liked American group? Lets become " The Church of MtG Players of Latter Day MaRo.

Also, since only 4 people voted for the name to stay, and we've seemed to hear from all of them? Lets hear more from the majority that wants it changed.

Actually this is an international group.

Although it is classified as an American idea isn't all that American as we have attributes scribbled in here and there that make it so international.

Sir I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You might want to get that fixed before continuing to use the Internet.

[kcolloran]

I'm actually not opposed to changing the name. And I haven't voted in the poll I don't think. I was mainly objecting to the voicing the opinions of people who know nothing about what unions. I don't really think it's up for debate that their our people who have knee-jerk adverse reactions to the word "union". And while I think they're wrong to do so, it's not worth the time to try to change their minds, at least vis-a-vis this group.

[occisor]

Also, since only 4 people voted for the name to stay, and we've seemed to hear from all of them? Lets hear more from the majority that wants it changed.

My reason for wnating the name changed is a matter of representation. The name at present suggests that the majority of players are to be represented by the union. In fact it is only a small proportion of players and is predominantly concerned with the issues affecting this player group (mainly pro and aspiring players).

The union represents PTQ players (also referred to as Pro Tour Aspirants, PTAs) and pro players (20+ pro points), not the casual players, i.e. the people that are hunting for Pro Points and that are most affected by the changes described above.

Surely a Union should be named to reflect the people it represents? As an Eternal format player, these changes without a doubt have an impact on my section of the community - but since (rightly) the union is focused on how things effect the Pro tour and related organised play I don't expect it to consider how the sort of changes going on at them moment will affect my niche of the community - therefoe it shouldn't suggest it represents the eternal community.

[gleemax]

Also, since only 4 people voted for the name to stay, and we've seemed to hear from all of them? Lets hear more from the majority that wants it changed.

My reason for wnating the name changed is a matter of representation. The name at present suggests that the majority of players are to be represented by the union. In fact it is only a small proportion of players and is predominantly concerned with the issues affecting this player group (mainly pro and aspiring players).

The union represents PTQ players (also referred to as Pro Tour Aspirants, PTAs) and pro players (20+ pro points), not the casual players, i.e. the people that are hunting for Pro Points and that are most affected by the changes described above.

Surely a Union should be named to reflect the people it represents? As an Eternal format player, these changes without a doubt have an impact on my section of the community - but since (rightly) the union is focused on how things effect the Pro tour and related organised play I don't expect it to consider how the sort of changes going on at them moment will affect my niche of the community - therefoe it shouldn't suggest it represents the eternal community.

Ah now that's interesting and why i asked for more voters for a name change to speak. So it's not so much the "union" part you don't like. it's the "MtG Players" part. So maybe something like "Pro Player Association" would be better for you. See this is the kind of feedback we need in order to compare what we've got with what we might want to change it too. I'll let the others argue about your comments, but I really think this is the kind of coversations we need in order to set a name in place (or keep what we've got) and move along.

[kcolloran]

In that case it should be perhaps "The Tournament Players Association". The group is mostly for pros and pro-aspirants, but can and should represent other tournament players as well.

[Reindeercards]

In that case it should be perhaps "The Tournament Players Association". The group is mostly for pros and pro-aspirants, but can and should represent other tournament players as well.

Magic Tournament Players Ass.

Hmmm...something's not quite right about that but I can't put my finger on it. Come to think of it, I don't want to put my finger on it.

[mercenarybdu]

In that case it should be perhaps "The Tournament Players Association". The group is mostly for pros and pro-aspirants, but can and should represent other tournament players as well.

Magic Tournament Players Ass.

Hmmm...something's not quite right about that but I can't put my finger on it. Come to think of it, I don't want to put my finger on it.

Can we quit this argument already and stick with what Levy had already created. This has been dragging on for over a month.

I like the name and it's already here to stay until the day Levy and the people who helped him put it together decide to change it.

[gleemax]

Well that's your opinion, which is shared by 5 other people who voted while 14 people disagree with you. (No one knows how many others are out there until they start voting). So please don't destroy this positive discussion with your trollish attitudes. Also Feb 25th-March 2nd does not equal a month, this is more like what, not even a week? You need to chill guy.

Levy says it's here to stay for now, but they are going to consider a change when they finish creating the new website. This makes sense since there's no need to change what isn't going to stay up. He also says he's taking these discussions into consideration for suggestions and group feelings. So if you really want to keep the name as it is, you seriously need to start coming up with better arguments than "I like the name and it's already here to stay." Also, being a troll and trashing everyone else opinions will not help your cause.

[BurnBait]

I don't like the idea of changing it, but I think we should all be willing, as was previously posted, to simply discuss in polite dulcet tones the implications of this name change, and then support the outcome of the majority vote. This may seem a little slanted, since the position I'm supporting has twice as many votes as the other, but I hope that more of the multitudes of people who frequent this side will put in their two cents, and that this decision is the product of the great majority, not the minor minority. Also, whatever happens, I will follow the will of the majority when the last vote is counted, whether I agree or not.