Re: News from KL

[gleemax]

thats nice, but i'd still like to know raph's side of things, unless they made him sigh a nondisclousure or something.

[mercenarybdu]

I still want to hear the whole story from all who attended the meeting to gain a full overview.

Levy is the first I'd like to hear from followed by everyone else who were present for those Two hours.

[janos_wuryon]

While I read the Wizards post about the meetings and its everyone went away smiling alant I wonder as to the truth of that. I would like to point out some statements I found to be a bit hard to swallow.

First that programs like champs/states were axed because of low turnout in relation to the total # of players. Lets see PT's are 300-400 player invite only events and GP's range from 400- 1000+. Both of these number represent a fraction of the 200,000+ DCI registered players and almost none of the people just starting out as a serious level competitor. These events live on Champs/States ( in NY) anyways avereage 80-100+ people. Seems to me that if you have 50 states events that average at least 1/4 of what NY does you run an event that reaches 1000+ players across the country. THat seems like a GP Quality turnout to me and I bet that of the 1000+ going to stats on a given saturday only a small portion of them actuall would travel to a GP..... Thats just one of my initial thoughts about this so after I read the reports from our attendees Im sure ill have more to say

[gleemax]

still no report? you guys are letting your support down. its like all that enegy and hype went away along with kl. before kl everyone was union gung-ho and posting city. what happened at kl?

[Shadowhunter483]

I'm sure everyone is just tired. I travel to Asia every now and then, and I know that the jet lag is killer.

[kardkid13]

Seriously, Raph and the guys are Pro Tour competitors, and flying to Asia is exhausting, not to mention several days of Magic. Give him a break to collect his thoughts, I'm sure we'll all be the better informed for our patience.

[mercenarybdu]

While I read the Wizards post about the meetings and its everyone went away smiling alant I wonder as to the truth of that. I would like to point out some statements I found to be a bit hard to swallow.

First that programs like champs/states were axed because of low turnout in relation to the total # of players. Lets see PT's are 300-400 player invite only events and GP's range from 400- 1000+. Both of these number represent a fraction of the 200,000+ DCI registered players and almost none of the people just starting out as a serious level competitor. These events live on Champs/States ( in NY) anyways avereage 80-100+ people. Seems to me that if you have 50 states events that average at least 1/4 of what NY does you run an event that reaches 1000+ players across the country. THat seems like a GP Quality turnout to me and I bet that of the 1000+ going to stats on a given saturday only a small portion of them actuall would travel to a GP..... Thats just one of my initial thoughts about this so after I read the reports from our attendees Im sure ill have more to say

These events might not give out Pro Points, they did give the low profile person the chance to play in them and have a good time. Yet Champs got the axe too which has caused an uproar that even got the locals of my area pretty upset too as they have to drive even further away from home just to go to such events for some jolly times.

[janos_wuryon]

Ill be quick here. Im sorry for the bad grammar and spelling in my last post ( I should know better than to type when im sick).. Ok on to more relevant thoughts. I would like to say that the amount of information covered at the meeting as well as the response from WOTC is a lot to process. I have had similiar experiences in my work life and it does take some time to regain your objectivity and perspective. WHile I am eager to hear our side of things I would rather hear a concise and clear headed response than one fired from the hip. I gather from the WOTC response that they took the vantage of the misunderstood benefactor. They didn't make changes for any nasty business reasons they were just trying to help. If I had gone into that meeting looking to denounce the aims of foolish, company brainwashed drones I would have had a bit of a stumble when they took this stance. After the meeting Im sure that Everyone involved thought of dozens of holes in WOTC's responses as well as many things to address that can't be explained away by WOTC's just trying to help defense. SO in conclusion give those who were there first hand a break and allow them to sort out what occured. Thus they can deliver a clearer message to all of us.

[Damion]

Could this possibly be one of the things that Wizards is doing to appeal to the casual crowd with their budget reallocation? http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/021808

[Shadowhunter483]

I don't think so. I mean unless they are creating something like regular Saturday tournaments, porting magic online to the xbox will do nothing.